I would prefer that this thread stay clear of current stud dogs as I find that opinions, including my own, on stud dogs are nearly always based on a very few personal experiences and therefore, not necessarily rational. Nevertheless, I thought it would be interesting and a bit of fund to ask greyhound enthusiast members whether there have been any stud dogs with which they have been extremely disappointed. Go back as far as you like, in fact, in some ways the further the better. My number one nomination is The Shoe who was the Harold Park 500 yard record holder in the late 1960s through to the 70s (26.0, unbelievable). He was also the record holder for the 410 yards on the old Richmond straight track. Yes, he was a fast dog and he was also very well bred being by Black Top and out of a bitch, Hiaclass, who I think was well and truly from the same family as the mighty brood bitch, Tamerine. He had plenty going for him but apart from a few good dogs such as Size Seven (NSW St Leger winner and Singleton track record holder), it appeared to me that he produced an inordinate number of awful greyhounds, silly greyhounds, the types who would rather lay in a puddle than on some dry ground, dirty dogs. I think it was Chook who commented about her experience with the Bond breed, "dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty ......". I know nothing of the Bond breed and therefore wish to make it clear that I have no view one way or the other about Bond but I did think of The Shoe when Chook wrote this in her relevant posting. Roman Earl was another dog who was disappointing, huge rapts but did not really deliver in accordance with the number and quality of bitches put to him. His bloodlines were impeccable, none better. Billy Bale was another with whom I was disappointed. Anyway, if any of you want to provide some nominations and some reasons why, it might be a bit of fun.

I got my two Bond pups because of th damline it would not have mattered who the sire was, so I have no favour towards him or not. However these two have wonderful temps, after one hydrobath they now stand there without even a collar, broke to lead in 5min, been in kennels (out of the runs) for a week and don't make a sound, don't mess in kennels or rip up beds!! Now this dosn't mean they will be able to run, but it will be easier to get the best out of them if they are not headcases! Bond also has a top s/rate so it might be a little early to compare him to previous "Ratty" sires.
Imo sires that have been a little disapointing have been Placard, Carlisle Jack,maybe expected a bit more out of Jack Jnr, and Lilly Pilly Lad. But its all about opportunties and throwing good race dogs early so the good breeders keep the bitches keep coming!
My knowledge dosn't go back a long way so some of these sires are stiil going,sorry!

I think we should actually be discussing current sires as it would be a lot more relevant and should be a good debate

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well ill jump in head first on that one and ye wont like it
but many over here consider brett lee a flop 7500 euro fo rhim here and not enough top class dogs from him top honcho 2500 larkhill jo 2500 maldini 1500 all throwing them litter after litter he had a few very good ones but then a lot of bad ones and small litter as well one and two pups really pissed alot of people of after paying that sort of money

No thats Fair enough! Brett Lee is out of reach for the average aussie breeder anyway so there is not really many of his pups around! I think they export alot of semen so they don't really care anyway!!

same here i couldnt justify using him

but because of his price he got the very best dmas here just didnt do it

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He has produced some very smart dogs but so has nearly every other sire, his price is way too high IMO.

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another who failed here was come on llyeton nothing of note from here
had a litter to him as well from a good dam produced two track record breakers in her first litter with two other open class his were less than useless
wouldnt run out of sight on a dark night

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this is one of the boys i stand i recon this fella might just make it

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