Has any one heard any reports about Headbound pups in Australia?????

Seen one won the other week at Dapto

Westtiger, my ignorance is exposed again. I have never heard of Headbound. He appears to be an Irish stud dog. I will be interested to see the advice you receive from others. Noel Keane will probably be disgusted that I am ignorant of this dog but I will do some research in the next day or so to bring myself up to speed.

Hey Westtiger, Here is the dog that won at Dapto the other week. I was there the night he won. cheers Dougie

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Here is Headbound Yuthapinaboy

http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=397367

Thanks Dougie, this is very familiar and very Australian breeding even though it seems as though the dog stands at stud in Ireland. This "import" won't provide much in the way of outcross will it.

headbound is more an outcross here than for ye he has throw a few top class ones here already with bar the devil and holyroamnemperor his top two bith derby runners
he has a good few top class runners here

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headbound has crossed well here with larkhill jo and spiral nikitia bitches

he has crossed with other bitches from differant sires but these are the more prevelant onesshowing up

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Thanks for this Noel, I was hoping you would let us know. I was already keen on the Spiral Nakita lines and more recently Larkhill Jo but now that they have your endorsement I am even more enthusiastic. I have a keen interest in a brood bitch who should be ready to be served in a few months and would like to see her go to something that at least got some of one of these two into the bloodlines of the ensuing pups. However, I do recognise your comments, particularly with regard to Spiral Nakita, about the positive results come through Spiral Nakita brood bitch's. Anyway, I still think it is largely a lottery but I reiterate that I like these two dogs and I think it is time to be diversifying away in part from the saturation of lines such as Amerigo Man and Walkabout Sid/Brother Fox/Temlee which of course goes back to the great import Tivoli Dreamer.

the way i see it looking in at yer dogs is that ye have inbreed or line breed to a point which ye now need to out cross to freshen up the blood lines as ye are getting closer and closer

the same is happening here but a few years behind ye with it

thats why some breeders here are looking to get one step ahead by outcrossing

i have done it here by breeding a bitch who was pure coarsing to true honcho(top honcho) taking a stud dog from this (engagment my own)
and crossing him with a prue breed irish track bitch i took the daughter from this (breed for this porpose only) and breed her to dks prime time(american) with the fview of breeding her back to a pure irish stud dog by doing this i have opened up my own breeding lines to go which ever way i want

we have a four year plan for every bitch ie the dam her daughter and grand-daughter all have the sires picked up to four years ahead so the bitch pup which was born from dks prime time had her first and second sires mapped out before she was even born and so does her daughter own isnt even born

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Noel let me say at the outset that I believe your introduction is "spot on", including that the inbreeding in your part of the world is not to the same extent as here and furthermore, my assessment (a generalisation) is that you and your Irish mates are doing more about it. This is obvious from the amount of Australian and US bred stock you have on the Greyhound-data sires list. I was a bit out of the greyhound "loop" when it happened but I would love to know the story as to how Top Honcho finished up in or near your part of the world and even more importantly how he succeeded. To be honest, I would have thought that your industry in general would have been very reluctant to accept that a poor old Aussie greyhound would have much to offer to Irish and UK greyhound racing. By the way, if anyone knows where I can read material on that story I would really like to know. Based on very limited advice from people here (in fact, only one person) and his form on the GRV site, he was not even that good a dog in Aus. Sorry I digressed a bit, the number of words in this post is growing maybe beyond the limit. There is so much I could say (and it would certainly not contradict what you have said at all) but not enough room here. People like the Wheelers (Bale) of course take a longer-term strategic approach but for people like me and my friend, it is only "every blue moon" that we breed with a bitch and therefore the longer-term approach is not as relevant, we need as much as possible success now, this is when it matters, there may not be another time. Just as an honest observation of myself and I suspect many others, when you are looking at what has been successful on the track, it is so hard to get away from the blood that has really triumphed for the last decade or more. Noel do you know what I find interesting, that Australia seriously started in the early 1960s to import dogs from Ireland and the UK long before vice-versa. Which Chariot is the one of which I was aware. He raced here successfully and is probably why he got a chance. The flow continued and increased BUT we find ourselves again in the situation of having so many inbred greyhounds and so many bred on the same lines, more so that in your part of the world. People pursue what is successful I suppose.

as for top honcho its a simple case of been in the right place at the time he came we had gone down the route ye are at now heavely inbred so he was an outcross here thats why he work also he got top class broods early on(the making of any stud dog)

the probley as i see it is too man breeders breed to sell instaed of breeding whats right for there brood any will tell you they have to to sell but i have found over time that if you breed right for your line they will sell we bit the bullet on that years ago and only breed what we hink suits our lines and never to the "hype sire"

for me any breeder must have a 3 -4 year plan and not be swede by the next big thing

over the last year i have breed to many unkown sires and still sold them all why??????

because people keep coming back because of what they bought before

for me anyway i think the brood is the most important thing not the sire

a good sire can add a little but a bad(or wrong for your lines) can take away alot
i think from my view people forget that an outcross you only do once every3-4 gen if you have say an irish bitch and go to an aussie dog then the daughter must be breed back to an irish dog not out to another aussie dog it opens your lines but keeps it strong in my view if you brred a half irish bitch to a half aussie dog you have f all a mongrel

thats why i think we and you have a lot of ungeniune chasers yes every now and again you get a freak and people flock to the sire as the new stud god

also people dont sit and look at there brood enough if she was a top class racer is that enough to breed her ???/ i dont think so

we pick our broods at birth so cant tell if they are open class or not at that stage but yet we keep producing the goods !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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