so what if unraced pup's are gettin beatin by 20L by one of the top trainers dogs,its race condition's an chances are you might meet it in a race anyway,the point is experiance for your dog,and if it happens that someone has a dog 20L quicker than your's well i'd be questioning your own dog and how good it really is to be beatin by 20L....are you gunna scratch your dog on race night just cause there's a quicker dog in the field...lol

so you would put a pup 17mths old in a half field trial with damek.eagle eye and sultans swing ? yeh id like to see that.

No of course not....i'd put my pup's with any of the top trainers pups in a unraced pup's field.....doh...who said anything about runnning pup's with performed dogs,its not the case here as they have unraced pup trial's....

well dohhh you missed the bit where i said that, i was talking about not knowing what your trialling with, here in vic we dont have unraced trials so there is no way of knowing

ill give an example

trialled a young pup at geelong one day 17 months unraced, was showing enough abilty to think he would win a few

trialled agaisnt a top line trainer, asked what he had response was " won a couple of races interstate thats all" thought ohh well our boy has shown enough.

beaten 12lens and the trainer goes to his mate, just a couple of city races

dog turned out to be hanifys impact

if we new at the time there is no way we would of trialled

box 1 there are some who would and have put performed dogs in unraced pups before so how do we know that all the time they are unraced cheers chub