Melbourne Cup Pick?
 

Whats everyone backing for the Melbourne cup?

This favourites unbeatable. Gimme til next Tuesday and I'll let ya know if I stand by that comment. Just got a feeling that Caulfield Cup form is rubbish. Mad Rush made up that much ground in the last 200 that it was insane, but didnt exactly smash the clock. Then you got this horse Barbarricus who couldnt win donkey handicaps at Moonee Valley only a couple of months ago and at the 200 he was asking to be swamped; went out hard early to get some ground from that wide barrier, led most of the way - but only 2 passed him... Just a theory

A horse a like and always love to put a bet on is zipping. First of all I like the name and seems to be doing a lot better than last year so here's hoping

Efficient has received an injury and wont race in the Melbourne Cup.

Zipping gets the same weight as he had last year (when he ran 4th) and he looks to have improved since. Agreed Claffin, and I reckon hes a must include in trifectas.

Mad Rush for me. Although, for the first time in many years, I have some doubt about the Caulfield Cup form as well.

Been spruiking Nom Du Jeu since the AJC Derby for this race and I have no reason to get off now her will run the trip without a doubt in my mind I thought the kiwis would take one of the big 3 home with them andf this is there last chance

Tipped her for the cox plate although she was dissapointing.

Nom Du Jeu didnt run in the Cox Plate...

woops was meant to write Cest La Guerre

Folks, I reckon Profound Beuty's well under a decent quote ($8) I might have backed her if she was around 10/11 but I just think 8 is too short.

ZIPPING is my pick. He can run the distance quite well, he has proved it. I like a good horse thats under the radar.

coops

So many good horses its hard to pick.

Everyone just list one horse and we can see which on average we think will win, might help some peoples tips.

Barbaricus

still cant believe the odds for Profound Beauty. Glenn Boss didnt sound overly confident and hes not one of those jockeys to play down his chances - look how highly he talked up Samantha Miss in the cox plate. Maybe a little too immature even though shes well weighted. These danehill's just dont seem to be able to finish off the 3200 - look no further than Zipping.

Mine:

1st: Honolulu
2nd: Cest La Guerre

Gone with some value!

Cest who ?

Profound Beauty is my tip.

I'm backing Septimus with some rain around.

1st. Nom De Jeu, if it gets out l think it will be extremely hard to beat. It's run was every bit as good, if not better than Mad Rush's in the CC and you can't beat the value 9.00 compared to 5.00.

2nd. Littorio who l think will appreciate running back under handicap conditions.

3rd. Bauer, huge run in the Geelong Cup and we all know the form often stacks up from that race. Media Puzzle and On A Juene are a couple from memory that won and ran second after the Geelong Cup.

Next Best, Cest Le Guerre, Zipping.

Ive put all my money on Moatize had a great run saturday and i think could prove a very serious contender in the race and at $41/$1 i couldnt pass up a bet :)

Very Tough Race.

My Tips

1st 5 NOM DU JEU
2nd 8 MAD RUSH
3rd 7 ZIPPING
4th 1 SEPTIMUS
Other Chances
2 MASTER O'REILLY
12 BAUER
18 PROFOUND BEAUTY
24 MOATIZE

My tips

1 ZIPPING
2 NOM DU JEU
3 MASTER O'REILLY

All horses that can run the distance strongly,I believe.

coops

I am becoming more and more surer that Danehill will never sire a cup winner. I know Profound Beuty will be back but, theres just something about them. Even his best stayers seem to hit that imaginary brick wall at around the 100m mark. Also if Profound Beauty comes back youd think she gets around 54-55kg, not too sure. Next Melbourne Cup - 365 days away.

Viewed though, Unplaced in four Melbourne runs. Unlucky but still last in the Mackinnon. 10th in the Caulfield Cup. In the past the cup has been a race that is won by horses that have good form but in the last 2 years this has not been the case. They say loyalty pays off in racing and so it does, I backed Viewed in the Brisbane Cup but signs were saying that he was a mudlark, due to his form on dry tracks. Didn't back him though, like most you'd think.
Also look for the follow up of the stewards inquiry tomorrow. They can't enforce much of a punishment on the jockeys (because they do not ride in Aus) but if they can proove that Aidan O'brien planned this pacemaker crap he may even be banned from competing in the Cup next year. My opinion of him has dropped after today. When you think about it they call him the best, but a lot of his group one winners have stablemates in the races setting an ideal pace for his true contenders. This time it worked against him look how his horses went, and he deserves it.

OFFICIAL order of where they finished in the Melbourne Cup:

1. Viewed

2. Bauer

3. C'est La Guerre

4. Master O'Reilly

5. Profound Beauty

6. Moatize

7. Mad Rush

8. Nom du Jeu

9. Zipping

10. Newport

11. Ice Chariot

12. Guyno

13. Littorio

14. Varevees

15. Boundless

16. Red Lord

17. Prize Lady

18. Septimus

19. Barbaricus

20. Alessandro Volta

21. Honolulu (last)

Gallopin failed to finish

Did Winks actually dismount before they passed the post?

Cant beleive viewed won this race he had the worst form coming into the race out of the whole field.

I honestly think no punter that knew anything about the horses would have bet on him, it was a day for the bookies!

placing horse margin starting Price weight jockey trainer barrier time prize money
1st Viewed $41 53 B Shinn Bart Cummings 8 3-20.40 0
2nd Bauer(IRE) 0.1 $21 52 C Brown Luca Cumani 11 0
3rd C'est La Guerre(NZ) 2.1 $21 54 B Prebble John Sadler 5 0
4th Master O'Reilly(NZ) 2.5 $26 55 V Duric Danny O'Brien 6 0
5th Profound Beauty(IRE) 2.7 $9 51.5 G Boss Dermot K Weld 2 0
6th Moatize 4.7 $31 50 C Lindop Bart Cummings 17 0
7th Mad Rush(USA) 5.7 $5.50 53.5 D Oliver Luca Cumani 4 0
8th Nom du Jeu(NZ) 7.45 $7.50 54 J Lloyd Murray Baker 1 0
9th Zipping 7.75 $15 54 D Nikolic John Sadler 14 0
10th Newport 8.15 $61 51.5 C D Symons Paul Perry 13 0
11th Ice Chariot 8.45 $51 53 M Rodd Ron Maund 20 0
12th Guyno(NZ) 8.55 $151 52 C Newitt Lou Luciani 7 0
13th Littorio 10.8 $31 52.5 Steven King Nigel Blackiston 15 0
14th Varevees(GB) 11.3 $101 51.5 C Williams Richard Gibson 21 0
15th Boundless(NZ) 11.8 $81 52 G Childs Stephen Mckee 18 0
16th Red Lord 11.9 $101 51.5 N Hall Anthony Cummings 12 0
17th Prize Lady(NZ) 18.9 $61 51 M C Sweeney Graeme Sanders 16 0
18th Septimus(IRE) 20.65 $7 58.5 J Murtagh Aidan O'Brien 9 0
19th Barbaricus 24.65 $16 50.5 S Baster Danny O'Brien 3 0
20th Alessandro Volta(GB) 39.65 $41 50.5 W M Lordan Aidan O'Brien 10 0
21st Honolulu(IRE) 89.65 $21 54.5 Colm O'Donoghue Aidan O'Brien 22 0
Failed to Finish Gallopin(NZ) $31 52 J M Winks Danny O'Brien 19 0
Scratched Yellowstone(IRE) 0
Scratched Zarita(NZ) 0

Septimus was very disappointing i feel sorry for the person who put $60,000 on it to win.

Should have backed Viewed, backed him 3 runs ago and he has been a tad unlucky but thought the good track would stop him. Backed C'est La Guerre (always back Lloyd's horses) was a certainty beat after Gallopin stopped dead in front of him!

Cant beleive some of the sectionals those moron jockeys ran - 1000m in 58 seconds was one after they passed the post. What were they thinking? Horses do well if they run 1000m races in under 58 seconds, but 1000m in a 3200m race?! Complete joke.

I still can't figure it out though, they ran these blistering sectionals yet the time was only 3:20, which isnt a very bad time under the track conditions etc. but they just had such strong pace makers, anybody know?

Bauer's shock therapy
 

Melbourne Cup runner-up Bauer allegedly had shockwave therapy
December 03, 2008

AN urgent probe into Melbourne Cup runner-up Bauer will focus on the horse allegedly being subjected to electro shockwave therapy in the lead-up to the race.

It is understood Bauer underwent the treatment on the Thursday before the 2008 Melbourne Cup.

Under the Australian Rules of Racing it is prohibited for a horse to undergo such treatment within seven days of a race.

Following a National Chairman of Steward’s conference in 2004, Rule 64H, which deals with shock wave therapy, was adopted.

The Rule states: “A horse that has been subjected to any form of shockwave therapy shall be ineligible to race or take part in any trial in the seven days following such treatment.”

It is the first inquiry of its sort in the Melbourne Cup's 147-year history. If connections are found guilty, Bauer would be disqualified, costing the English stallion's owners, which include former Australia cricketer Simon O'Donnell, $835,000 in prizemoney.

Shockwave treatment involves electro waves going through a horse, which deadens pain in troubles areas, accelerates healing and increases blood flow.

No licensed person in Victoria or New South Wales has been charged under Rule 64H since it was introduced.

RVL stewards were on Wednesday morning unavailable for comment. Acting upon information, RVL stewards opened a probe into the treatment.

O’Donnell said that no performance enhancing drug were involved.

“The swabs are clear it’s nothing to do with an illegal drug - I assume," he said.

“He’s been treated in a manner that the RVL stewards want to investigate."

Asked if he knew the reason for the inquiry, he responded: "I think I know."

But he said he would not reveal his suspicions because, “I don’t want to prejudice any ongoing investigation by the stewards".

He said the investigation has “sullied” the success of the Melbourne Cup.

“You wake up this morning to this. For people who enjoy racing their horses, that’s been well and truly stripped today.”

RVL chairman of stewards Terry Bailey confirmed the investigation.

"We do need to clarify some issues," he said.

Bauer came to Melbourne with trainer Luca Cumani's daughter, Francesca, who supervised the horse until her father arrived 12 days before the Cup.

Bauer's managing owner, Terry Henderson, and Luca Cumani, speaking from Cumani's stables in Newmarket, England, said they were aware of the inquiry "but have also been advised there is no issue with the swabs taken from the horse".

"Any treatment given leading up to the Cup was done by vets appointed to the international horses by RVL," they said. "We are most concerned by the investigation, but feel comfortable nothing wrong has been done at our end."

The inquiry will not affect betting on the race.

Punters who backed Bauer would not have to return winnings, nor would those who backed fourth placegetter Master O'Reilly be able to claim a dividend if he is promoted to third.

Bauer, a $21 chance, stormed home from well back to be beaten by just a nose by the Bart Cummings-trained Viewed ($41) in the Cup at Flemington on November 4.

Bailey confirmed connections were aware of the inquiry. "Mr Henderson is away in the UK until December 11 and the inquiry will continue when he returns to Melbourne," he said.

"The inquiry is into whether or not any rules regarding pre-race treatment of a horse have been breached. I want to stress all swabs from the Melbourne Cup, including Bauer's, have been cleared."

Thanks for posting this one Dougie, it is very interesting. $835,000 is enough reason for this to be a huge drama but just imagine if Bauer's nose had been a few inches further advanced on Melbourne Cup day, the potential drama would be enormous and of course, not just due to the financial consideration.

Cumani admits Bauer underwent treatment

Wednesday, 3 December 2008


Trainer Luca Cumani has conceded his Melbourne Cup runner-up Bauer underwent treatment on the Thursday before he contested Australia’s greatest race which is currently under investigation by Racing Victoria Stewards.

Racing Victoria issued a statement this morning saying, “Racing Victoria Limited stewards are currently carrying out an investigation into the veterinary treatment Bauer received in the lead up to the 2008 Emirates Melbourne Cup”.

“These investigations are continuing and at this time the stewards are unable to comment any further in the matter,” the statement said.

“A formal inquiry will be scheduled when managing part-owner Mr Terry Henderson is expected to return from the UK on 11 December.

“The winning performance of Bauer in the Geelong Cup is not affected by this investigation.”

On Greg Radley’s raceday program on 2KY this morning, Cumani said the treatment in question was administered to the horse by a vet appointed by Racing Victoria.

“We had a slight issue with Bauer and he recommended the treatment and I said is that ok and he said ‘yep that’s fine’ and I said ok lets go ahead and he did the horse there and then and the horse was fine after that,” Cumani told Radley.

“It was basically a physiotherapy treatment that we were told was ok because we had to rely on the vet advise.”

The specific nature of the treatment is believed to be some form of shock wave treatment which under Australian Racing rules is not to be conducted on horses within seven days of contesting a race.

“This treatment is widely available in every racing country and it is only banned in England on raceday and I wasn’t aware that it would be an issue and the vet didn’t alert me that it would be an issue,” said Cumani.

“I took it that if he recommended it then it would be ok.

“He’s a local vet, he should know the local rules.”

Yes I was thinking the same thing, imagine he'd won. Also how do we know Mad Rush wasnt given the same treatment? Because even though he didnt run a place he still finished in the prize money.

Hussler2912, I am not sure how much credence you should place in this advice but I came in halfway through a relevant segment of a Sydney radio sports show this evening. I don't think I was hearing things when they made reference to the vet in question sending an invoice to Racing Victoria for payment and specifically in relation to the "electro wave shock treatmen" or whatever it is. It seemed to me that this is how it came to their intention. Maybe one of our fellow Racingforum members will either confirm or refute this advice. We can only assume the vet did not give similar treatment to Mad Rush or he did it for free. Isn't this a terrible mess. It doesn't matter what the stewards announce tomorrow, there is almost certain to be legal action of some sort. I think it is embarrassing for Australia but not as embarrassing as Nicole Kidman was on the David Letterman show last week when supposedly promoting the film, "Australia".

Bad news for the owners and racing in general, maybe we shouldnt use the name Melbourne Cup as a race title anymore as it always brings so much controversy just look at the Greyhound Melboune Cup.

Morgan I know what you mean but I believe that you and I have both recently expressed a liking for a little bit of controversy. Nevertheless, the gallops Melbourne Cup controversy is internationally embarrassing and I think this makes a big difference. I don't want to understate the negative impact on all of the parties involved with either Surgeon or Hanify's Impact and of course greyhound racing in general but the "fall-out" does not compare to the gallops situation. At the time of writing I am wondering whether an announcement has yet been made about Bauer's eligibility. There is no solution available that is a good one and I fear for the connections of Bauer and also Australia's international reputation that the decision is going to be "sorry Cumanis, Henderson, O'Donnell, etc, the horse was not eligible, return the $835,000 as soon as possible". I hope there is a better solution for everybody. I can think of one but I don't think it is financially palatable to RVB.

Cumani has been very honest about all this, I think he should be let off under the circumstances.