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noelkeane 06-13-2009 08:27 AM

best of luck with what ever you decide to buy and i hope you get a good one

as for supl no there is no need just feed right

as for feeding them
this is what i do (not saying im right just my way)
i dont give milk to them once the dam has stopped i dont think they need it (natures will ) i give bisciuts with broth in the morning
dinner is a mix of chicken/beef/trip or fish
with veg (minced raw) nuts soaked for about an hour and broth again

whippee 06-13-2009 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by noelkeane (Post 13082)
best of luck with what ever you decide to buy and i hope you get a good one

as for supl no there is no need just feed right

as for feeding them
this is what i do (not saying im right just my way)
i dont give milk to them once the dam has stopped i dont think they need it (natures will ) i give bisciuts with broth in the morning
dinner is a mix of chicken/beef/trip or fish
with veg (minced raw) nuts soaked for about an hour and broth again

thanks, what type of broth? chicken or someone? you are referring to biscuits as a wheat biscuit right? with you dinner do you change the meat weekly or someone? what sort of quanties of meat per feeding?
i am going to a pet food store that supplies feed for greyhound raisers this morning and have a chat with them and see what they say.
thanks
andy

willy wonka 06-13-2009 12:06 PM

ANDY, mine get weetbix and brown toast with sometimes vegemite lol half cup each biscuits in the morning milk over the top, i gotta couple of picky pups, some times like they like bisciuts pre saoked til its sucked up the milk sometimes just drink the milk and eat the bisciuts dry, at dinner they each get lean beef bout 400 grams each with scoop biscuits each, same fussyness as breakfast lol sometimes soak bisciuts and mix meat but??? its "their" choice lol if you find the "feeding pups" thread i asked same question and yo wil see NOELKEANES reply!!!! as for biscuits..... well... premium bisciuts such as hills science and advance, eukanuba premium (puppy large breed of course) they say you dont need to add supplements cos its all in there but others say add supps, depends on your budget cos they are $100+ a bag 15Kg or so a month, but i recently been told SUPERCOAT is ok for pups way way cheaper like 30 a bag and then add supplements??? so if you see where im going...and supplements arent that $$$$ 20 for a supplement 500g and supposed to have everything they need!

AJ

willy wonka 06-13-2009 12:08 PM

:confused:
whoops didint see NOELS reply at the top!!!

Gippy 06-15-2009 02:55 PM

To me the price of a pup is irrelevant! In 15 years the best two bitches I have had, ONE- cost $250- won G2 and approx $75,000 and TWO $800 and she has just broken the $50,000 mark! As Noel says go with your gut feeling,Feed well, worm it reg, keep it healthy, DON'T spoil it and you will get the best out it! Remember that a dog is a pack animal and does like the company of other dogs so it is common practice to rear them in pairs! Best of luck with whatever you decide!!

coops 06-15-2009 03:45 PM

Hey your right there Gippy. I've had Sinka for 10 months now and he has been by himself all that time. The other day someone gave me a 20 month old bitch for nothing. She is very green and very small but a happy little thing. I know it's been only a couple of days, but Sinka is a different dog, he's gone absolutley ape shit happy. Walks really well and has his nose in her coit all the time.

coops

willy wonka 06-15-2009 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gippy (Post 13104)
To me the price of a pup is irrelevant! In 15 years the best two bitches I have had, ONE- cost $250- won G2 and approx $75,000 and TWO $800 and she has just broken the $50,000 mark! As Noel says go with your gut feeling,Feed well, worm it reg, keep it healthy, DON'T spoil it and you will get the best out it! Remember that a dog is a pack animal and does like the company of other dogs so it is common practice to rear them in pairs! Best of luck with whatever you decide!!

exactly why i recently got "another" one for home rearing COOPS ;) you can see the boredom when theyre by their self!!!

lilyflowerandroxy 06-16-2009 09:06 AM

Breakfast: 1 weetbix soaked in half cup hot water then topped with 1 full cup cold milk (I saw a guy feeding his pups with hot milk, which is a no no as the pups burnt their mouths but apparently he didn't have the 'empathy' to realise this), 1 egg yolk (don't have it every morning, just some mornings lol eggs are expensive if fed daily!) and while pups are normally not fussy eaters (I have never bred fussy eaters, some people that have fussy eaters usually mustn't be doing something right in feeding. I once sold a young bitch to this guy, she had always been a big eater and wouldn't turn down rubbish, however with this guy because he was feeding her wrong (hot milk, too much kibble ratio to meat etc) she started being picky with her food and he's now telling me that she's just a fussy eater when she is not. Arrgh lol) oh also young pups get a puppy biscuit (which are a bit softer than the usual 4 x 2 biscuits).
However if you do have a picky eater, sometimes a dollop of Nutrigel paste (get from vets) in the milk or meat will get them gobbling! ;-) Nutrigel is very palatable and attractive tasting so dogs can't resist it.
Another good idea is 5ml of Collovet liquid into the milk or meat or even down its throat via a syringe. ( You can get Collovet at any pet store) (don't give to racing dogs close to racing, as it contains caffeine). It's useful for animals in poor condition, picky eaters, animals recovering from a virus/bug etc it 'picks them right up'.

Morning vitamins a must: White E or Natural E (the first one is Vetsearch product, the other one is Troy product. I prefer using Troy Natural E).

Pups aged under 3 mths must be fed 4-5 times a day (small meals), over 3mths must be fed 3 times a day til about 5 mths old then they get 2 meals a day. Very important for young pups under 10mths to be fed TWICE a day.

Afternoon dinner: Feed meat with soaked kibble. Never fed dry kibble. Usually 1 to 1 half cups of kibble is the maximum. Important to feed a bit of chicken mince along with beef in the winter time for its fat content (can get chicken mince for 50 cents a kilo from reputable factories that sell bulk dog meat) but make sure it's fresh chicken that doesn't have big chunky bones in it.

I feed Winning Edge Platinium kibble to racedogs, however for pups, it is a good idea to vary kibble every couple of months from Coprice (a favourite of mine), Supercoat Puppy, Advance (best kibble ever! if you can afford it), Purina Puppy, and even the cheaper form of kibble you see everywhere, as long as you are feeding good meat with vitamins, kibble brand is really not important at all (but watch for the really cheap coloured kibbles as they have too much additives/dye in it, it causes tummy upsets)

Afternoon vitamins: Feramo D (or Livamol), Calci D (or DCP) and that's about it, you can add a cup of cooked vegetables (do not feed onions!) to the dinner daily. Cook a beefy/or chicken broth once a week (sundays usually). You can cook a broth by firstly filly a large pot with water, putting in say about 500g meat, throw in half a cup of rice, 1 packet of cheap noodles including the flavour sachet, diced celery (you can use the leafy stalks as well), 2-3 stalks chopped spinach (silverbeet), and instead of chopping carrots, you can buy a frozen Homebrand 1kg mixed vegetable bag, throw that in the pot. Add half of a capsimum, chopped, a bit less than a quarter cabbage, shredded.
Lemme think here.. oh also one garlic clove, diced finely. Sometimes I use a turnip and swede as well, but only use a very small amount.

It's a bonanza broth! ;-)


And a hint, never rear a pup on its own, mainly because it increases the risk of the pup turning into a fighter on the track or being too shy to go around a field etc

A pup must learn to take the knocks, bumps and bites of other pups and develop into a strong personality. You don't want a sooky spoilt pup that just wants to spend all day on the couch with its owner lol

Most important of all, it needs to get in plenty of long gallops, in a big open paddock so it can learn to turn and uses its legs properly.

Hope this helps ;-)


cheers

lilyflowerandroxy 06-16-2009 09:14 AM

Oh and also, I do feed dry toast with a bit of butter/vegemite on it most mornings to pups and racedogs, one slice with vegemite and the other slice with honey. Even peanut butter, fish paste (dogs absolutely love it!) etc.

Make sure you cut up the toast into small pieces for the young pups so they can chew it easily.

Gippy 06-16-2009 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by coops (Post 13105)
Hey your right there Gippy. I've had Sinka for 10 months now and he has been by himself all that time. The other day someone gave me a 20 month old bitch for nothing. She is very green and very small but a happy little thing. I know it's been only a couple of days, but Sinka is a different dog, he's gone absolutley ape shit happy. Walks really well and has his nose in her coit all the time.

coops

Sounds like you better keep an eye on Sinka mate!!! You don't want a litter of little split shots running arond yet!!!!:D:D


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