thanks gippy i think i have missled you i am the owner/trainer all the comments i have been making is suggestions from other people robert from kilcoyne said to hand slip app 200 mtrs twice at the short thirlmere track this sunday if ok by checker then out of boxes then a month off spud is going to garry barnsley to day after i finish work to be checked then to vets tomorrow for worming has had a hydro bath when he came home but reading what you just said this does not seem like a good idea. do pups forget if left too long after education on how to jump and chase ther is so much i need to learn help help help billy bones