gippy your humble opinion will do me just fine thanks heaps feel as i am realy going in right direction dog is still a pussy gave him his first kill yesterday all he did was lick its bum and ears heaven forbid but it must have stired up something on his walk around the lake this afternoon he chased the ducks and birds hasnt done that before. so untill he gets back from kilcoyne i will stop anoying everyone will let you all know if he breaks in ok thanks heaps billy bones