nick i think i replied to myself not the smartest old man around i would have loved to keep my race dog "nugget" secret collision but unfortunately he would have finished up killing the pup was very mean when it came to his own space not a savage dog but plane mean but made sure he went to good home the 8x3 i was talking about is only while im at work when home he is out walking or in his run not that big 20mtrs has two sessions a day and runs app 15 times up and down but you are right needs to run with other dogs been told if kept alone too long recipe for a fighting dog may have found a farm in yass nsw hope so but if not will have to work it all out for myself and i will drive every one mad with Q & answers i am retiring in june to solely train greyhound cant give time he deserves while working full time been smitten by greyhounds absolutely adore the animals thanks to all and as arnold said ill be back ps hope i havnt sent this one to myself also and whats that word LOL