The point was penny magpie lomar started his racing career here with a big bang and he fizzled just as quick, now 12 months later he is being a decent dog over there after being sacked, don't get me wrong no disrespect to Nathan or patch but I think that was the point gippy was trying to make, he is nowhere near the standard of Damek so if he can do it, I am sure Damek can, please correct me if I am wrong gippy?