Thanks Dougie for posting the Sale Cup box draw. Mantra in the 4 box, well this makes it interestin, particularly with Arvo's Sphinx drawn outside him in the 5. From the racecall last Sunday, it sounded as though Arvo's went like a "scalded cat" early. I think I have the right dog. Nickg follows the dogs so much more studiously than me (I am an irregular casual observer) so I expect he will be able to provide some good advice about these dogs and the possible scenarios.