I see your thinking with Mantra Lad Nickg. He won some good races from box 5 last year but from memory all of those were in staying races. In all of his recent wins in Perth where he did run great times he was slow out on both occasions he needed to be real lucky to get a clear run up on the fence last Saturday night. I also thought he was worth laying at those very short odds. He appeared to give it away when he avoided being squeezed into the rail and show nothing in the straight. Assuming no injury, surely he had the petrol to pass a dog or two but no he did nothin. BUT if connections want to get rid of him he can have my bed I will sleep on the floor. The little woman can please herself. I dont know much about Vintage Octane except that he has won a bit of money and is owned by one or more well known people.