Sorry Vad, but yes Coops I do remember both The Shoe and Irish Sentinel well, however, I must admit to not recalling the time that they both met in the same race at Richmond. When I think of speed I would, based on my incomplete knowledge, have not put Irish Sentinel in the same class as The Shoe but I am sure he was a top dog up the Richmond 400 yards. The Shoe at one time held 5 track records and of course his 26.0 at HP, well what can you say. The record had been 26.4 for so long, then I think Black Tass went 26.3. The records went down in increments of 0.1 in those days. I also remember Swanky Beau well. I also think ???? there was at least one great race at Richmond straight involving Zoom Top and Sammie Sparrow and others. I liked the straight, it had a real old time carninval atmosphere about it. One could think of a time at say Wyong (because I know this is true) when the the connections with dogs would pour off the train from Sydney, leads in hand, bedding for the racing kennels under arm and high hopes in their hearts. Again sorry Vad, I think Coops and I have ambushed your thread but it is definitely me who is to blame, Coops is a good guy, I am bad.